She helps people cut out the clutter, and get organized so they are making more money.
A recent study says that people lose an average of 55 mins a day (or 6 weeks of work) a year due to being cluttered and disorganized.
She has made money by selling printable PDFs on Etsy and working with people in person.
Christina has decided to change her lifestyle by making organizing and decluttering courses for individuals online.
We discuss how every opportunity in your business doesn’t mean it is the best one. Sometimes even in business, you have to let go of things so you can see larger gain and progress with something else.
We strategize with Christina ways in which she can use her product to start promoting and selling the 100 page ebook she has already created.
After narrowing down her target avatar, Christina is going to maximize the Flip Your Life Community by asking other members (who are also entrepreneurs) how they would want the content to be delivered.
You will learn
- Why it’s not smart to have two different target audiences online.
- Consistent messaging to your target audience.
- Don’t put a lot of time into your tagline or website domain.
- Ideal Balance between product creation and promotion.
- Go ask your target audience what they want rather than speculating.
- Don’t speculate what people want, you have to go ask them.
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JOCELYN: Hey y’all! On today’s podcast, we help Christina take her organizing business to the next level.
Welcome to the Flipped Lifestyle podcast, where life always comes before work. We’re your hosts, Shane and Jocelyn Sams. Join us, each week, as we teach you how to flip your lifestyle upside-down, by selling stuff online. Are you ready for something different? All right, let’s get started.
SHANE: What’s going on guys? Welcome back to the flipped lifestyle podcast, super-excited to be back with you again this week. We got another Flip Your Life member that we are bringing on the show to help them take their business to the next level. Our guest today is Flip Your Life community member, Christina Hydeck. Christina, welcome to the show.
CHRISTINA: Well, thank you, Shane and Jocelyn, I’m so excited to be here.
JOCELYN: Yeah, we are really excited to have you today. Let’s talk a little bit about you and your business and what’s going on with it.
CHRISTINA: Okay, so I’m an attorney turned professional organizer, but that’s a really boring title, so I renamed myself, after my clients gave me inspiration, I’m an organizing guru and de-cluttering coach.
SHANE: There you go, I like that.
CHRISTINA: Thank you.
JOCELYN: De-cluttering coach; I need some of that in my life.
SHANE: That’s right.
CHRISTINA: No one seemed to know what I did when I said I was a professional organizer, but now everybody knows what I do so it’s been a great change. For the last four or so years, I have been working with individuals and also some small-business owners to help really implement some systems in their lives and businesses, to cut out the chaos, to cut out the clutter so that they have more time to do what they really want to do, which is one: not deal with the clutter and two: not really spend time organizing. That’s why they bring me in, an expert, so they can get it done faster.
SHANE: So basically, you are working with people that one: want to either gain more time back in their schedule by getting organized and getting all that done, and with your businesses it’s like let’s get organized so we can make more money and we are not losing money with all this clutter holding us back.
CHRISTINA: That’s right and people don’t realize how much time they are wasting every day just by being disorganized; on average, it’s about 55 minutes every day. That translates into almost two weeks a year.
SHANE: Yeah, that’s crazy, that’s a ton of time.
CHRISTINA: And that’s on average. So you got to figure out where you are in that spectrum. If you are really disorganized, it could skew as much as six weeks, which is insane.
SHANE: Yeah, so let me ask you this, what kind of lawyer were you and how does a lawyer who goes through all the stuff that you got to do just to be a lawyer, decide, hey you know what, I’m going to help people organize. How did that happen?
CHRISTINA: Well, a function of – one: I started a family; I did mass toxic tour litigation which is code for I represented companies who are being sued by individuals claiming they were sick as a result of asbestos in their products. So most of my clients you have never heard of, they are packing in gaskets, and boiler-makers and stuff like that; I can talk up a merchant marine like nobody would ever expect, which is come into play in my life, you know, post asbestos world, but it’s kind of funny. So I had a baby and then realized – I was working 60 to 70 hours a week, that’s just not – I just didn’t want that type of life and then tote reform happens and so it really made the decision to leave that world a little bit easier.
SHANE: Okay, so you are not practicing any law right now at all?
CHRISTINA: I’m not; I just celebrated one year as not being actively registered with the State of Ohio, which is so sweet. So really how I got into organizing was in the most slackerish of ways. I was watching Hoarders and I love that show. I’ve always been very organized and I’d watch it with my husband on every Wednesday. There was one organizer in particular that I absolutely loved and I just said to myself, you know, I could do what Dorothy does.
SHANE: Right, that’s awesome.
CHRISTINA: And my husband was like, you could do that. So then I started working with friends and just people who didn’t know me that well, who would tell me like if I was skilled at this or not, and they were like, yeah, you need to do this and yes, I’d pay you. So, then it began.
SHANE: And now you’ve made money primarily – before you got into the Flip Your Life community, you sell like organizers and things on Etsy, is that what you do now?
CHRISTINA: Yeah, printable organizing documents, and that started really about a year ago. So for the first three-and-a-half years of my business or so, I was strictly making money from working with people in person. And then last year, my husband started travelling for work and I have two school-age children, and I had to come up with something that I could do while he was here and I didn’t have to constantly arrange for childcare. So it was really a lifestyle decision.
SHANE: Right, and now the key is though, you want to move to courses and things like that to really guide people at a scale on how they can take what you teach in person and use the tools that you are selling on Etsy now, to kind of let people watch courses and let people get advice from you may be like in a community setting where you can reach many people at once. What made you do that instead of just do the Etsy stuff?
CHRISTINA: Well, because I realized that I’m never going to reach my financial goals selling one three-dollar printable at a time.
SHANE: Right, exactly.
CHRISTINA: It’s just not going to happen. The other thing is, the printables are for the DIY-ers who are pretty well on their way; the courses are one level, or maybe even two levels deeper. It’s for people who need really to have it all written it out for them, and explained why they should be doing this. The other people – the Etsy is geared to people who know what they should be doing. They just are like, oh, that’s a cute printable, I’ll just pay a couple of bucks and get that and have a done solution for them.
SHANE: How much are you charging to work one on one with people?
CHRISTINA: 65 dollars an hour.
SHANE: Okay perfect; that will help give us some context when we start talking about products in a minute.
CHRISTINA: Yeah, I am highest in my region because I’m the only person who publishes my rates, so I can make them whatever I want to be because when people look me up, they have no idea what other people are charging.
SHANE: Yeah, and usually prices are irrelevant as long as you can get the job done. Like people get way too hung up on prices anyway. You charge what you are worth and if they don’t want to pay it, you’ll find someone that will.
CHRISTINA: Well, I think I’m worth more than that and I have had other people say like, you are way undercharging because of the value you deliver, but you have to go with what the market will bear.
SHANE: Let’s translate that into some online business and we’ll see where it goes okay?
JOCELYN: All right, so let’s jump into your first question.
CHRISTINA: Okay so, just recently I discovered that the residential side of organizing is pretty well-flooded and I wanted to incorporate or expand my business to include working with small businesses more consistently. And I just – I feel a little bit torn, I’m not really sure which of these areas to focus on, and if I can’t fully service them both adequately; does that make sense?
SHANE: Yeah, and let me start off by saying no, you can’t. You cannot be a home-organizer and a business-organizer if you are going to do this on scale online because you are not going to be able to target your messaging good enough to where you are going to relate to either one or the other. It’s going to be extremely hard for you to succeed if you are trying to target two different avatars.
JOCELYN: Yeah, it’s really rough to do this. It’s not to say that people who are interested in home organizing won’t be interested in your business organizing tactics or vice-versa, people are still going to find you based on just general organizing, but as far as the message goes, I would definitely stick with one or the other.
SHANE: Yeah, and I think what you have to do is you have to look and see who has the biggest pain point and who is most willing to spend money on this, and how does it help you shape your message where you can agitate their problems enough to make them come to you for a solution. We’ve talked about this in the forums little bit and we kind of went back and forth, but I know that in the physical job you have been doing homes and businesses and things like that, but I think that business is where you are really going to find is the biggest bang for your buck –
SHANE: – because one: it’s so easy to tell a business, “You are losing money because of X” and every business owner is going to say, “Well, how can I stop losing money?” So when you say, you know, not even time and productivity, when you say, “Look, you know, you pay your employees 100 dollars an hour and you are losing two weeks of actual time a year” it’s really easy to quantify that with a dollar amount and say, you are losing X thousands of dollars. So, if you’ll give me X hundreds of dollars, I’ll show you how to fix that. I have a friend who is an accountant and he does something very similar; he charges probably like 30,000 or 40,000 dollars a year for his clients to hire him, but he saves their businesses 400,000 dollars. So it’s a negligible amount when you start throwing around numbers like that he makes them so much money, the cost is totally irrelevant, and I think that’s where you are going to find yourself here as you are going into this online space. We could even niche farther down even to maybe to like entrepreneurs who work at home, that’s a business, that is a person who is at home, organizing and kind of brings your skill set into it, but it’s targeting people who want to maximize their hours and their dollars and they are willing to spend money to make it better. So, the moral of the story here is that you have to like not pick both. You are going to have to pick one if you are really want to go hardcore into this.
JOCELYN: Is there one that speaks to you like particularly more than the other?
CHRISTINA: Well, I know what I should do and I know what I have to do; it’s the business and it’d be stupid because I have already explored the other side and it really hasn’t worked just because there’s so much competition and when I had this realization and it was you know, at the end of November, I said something to someone she’s like – and it was a local business coach who I know though networking and I said, “So I’m thinking about focusing more on businesses” and she’s like “That’s where you should have been the whole time.” So she said this to me, she’s like people will never invest in themselves but they will in their businesses.
JOCELYN: That’s true.
SHANE: I always say this, that’s so true because we work at home and like, you know, it is so much easier for me to put off something that needs to be done in the living room or the kitchen than it is to our office, because the office makes the ship role, that’s the engine of the ship and this is where we make our money, this is the thing that has to be right so if something is wrong we’ll fix it. But if something is necessarily off in – and we can put off the stuff that is in our life because it’s not pressing on us at the time.
JOCELYN: Yeah, I would agree with that; I think it’s the same as far as like spending money too because whenever we hire somebody, like when we hire somebody in the business, I can justify it, I guess, quicker than I can if we are going to hire somebody to do something in our personal life.
SHANE: Yeah, and so this there’s a general concept here when anybody is like picking out who they are going to target is number one: you got to figure out the problem you are solving and who it is, but then the second thing is, do they have the money and the willingness to spend on that problem. A lot of people have problems that they never fix because they just deal with it. And that’s where kind of the home organization comes in. You are like, I got to take the kids to the practice, I got to go to school, I got things to do, I got to go grocery store, I’ll just organize that closet in the bathroom later or whatever. Whereas a business owner, it’s going to be like man, I can’t find that phone number because my desk is such a mess and I missed a 5000-dollar sale. That’s a bad thing, that’s going to hurt immediately and I’m going to fix that problem. So I think that from that standpoint, you got to make the call moving forward like after today. You got to shift your mindset and say, “I’m picking this avatar, this is the one that feels right, this is the one I have researched and looks right and it’s also the one that not only I’m an expert with, but I have unfair advantages.” A lot of personal organizers out there are becoming personal organizers, but you have these chops because you are this lawyer in this industry and this that and the other, that’s huge benefits to you to not only say, not only am I a business organizer, I’m a lawyer, I’m an attorney, I was an attorney in this industry and I did this and I know what it takes to make everything roll in your life and be organized. So, you got so many built-in advantages in the professional space, it will probably be a no-brainer to do that. You are just going to have to say, I might have to let go of everything else to do that.
CHRISTINA: Yeah and that’s what’s hard.
JOCELYN: Yeah, that’s the truth; I mean sometimes we have to make really tough decisions that way, but I think you’ll find that if you do concentrate on one, then everything else will be easier moving forward because you have that laser-focused tunnel vision.
SHANE: We shut down – after we got hacked last year and after we tried reboot all of our sites and everything, we made a decision to shut down the football coaching site. That was really hard for me because of my love for it and everything else. You know, just all the energy and effort I poured into it, but at the time we were so far behind, the hackers took down everything we had basically, to rebuild it properly we didn’t have time to reset everything. We had to focus on the main priorities and when we listed them, that was the fourth one out of four, and once we got into that a few months, I realized all the other ones grew so much we didn’t even have to start it back. So sometimes you have to let go of the things you have done and the things you like to progress and make more money in the future. So many entrepreneurs will not let go of opportunity. Every opportunity is not a good opportunity. We should focus on the one or two best opportunities and that will make more money.
JOCELYN: All right, so let’s move on to your next question.
CHRISTINA: Okay, so I have a tagline which, now you have to tell me if it still makes sense with the business, so my tagline is, “I’m so freaking organized and you can be too.” And I’ve got a lot of good feedback about it so much that people want me to use it on everything, but I am really hesitant to do that because I don’t want it to become – you know, so common that it’s boring because I think it’s a little different.
SHANE: I don’t think your tagline matters at all and it won’t make you or lose you a single dollar. That is such a minor thing in the grand scheme of things that whatever you pick for your tagline is not going to matter.
JOCELYN: Yeah, and I think that I mean, I kind of disagree with that a little bit in that, I think that targets more of an individual –
SHANE: Sure, it does.
JOCELYN: – than somebody in a business, and the reason that I say that is because I think that being organized is sort of like a vitamin thing. So like, I know that I should take vitamins, I should work out every day, I should be organized, but like is that really a hot issue? You know what I’m saying? So like what you had to do instead is that you have to tell me, the business owner, or whoever your avatar is, you have to tell me, hey, you are losing X dollars because this is not organized and that matters to me.
SHANE: Like, what if your tagline was “Get organized, make more freaking money.” Now that is speaking to the entrepreneur business owner, you know what I mean? It’s still kind of the same vibe, you are being cool and kind of funny and more fun, it’s not so stuffy, but it’s – you know you are speaking to a different person. So I do agree with that but the tagline is not going to make – our tagline, theoretically is ‘Work less live more’ that is what we started with our tagline, it’s still in our WordPress feed, but like I promise you, you couldn’t ask anyone who listens to our show, they would not know that.
CHRISTINA: No, it sounds familiar because I remember seeing it somewhere, but yeah, I don’t –
JOCELYN: Yeah, it really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things, but what does matter is consistent messaging to your avatar in everything that you do.
SHANE: Yeah, so just think of something that quickly conveys what you are doing. What’s the domain name again?
CHRISTINA: It’s streamlinedlivingoh.com which I’m thinking I’m going to have to change.
SHANE: Yeah, that’s going to have to transition a little bit, which we can work on –
JOCELYN: Yeah, we can work on that in the membership.
SHANE: Yeah, but don’t get caught up; people get too caught up in domain names and taglines when really they should be caught up in solutions and avatars because those two things are way more important than your domain name or your tagline.
CHRISTINA: Right, yeah, I will get – I have a great web dude, so I don’t have to worry about that.
SHANE: Cool. So don’t stress on this one; let’s just erase this one from your mind, this is a question that is not going to make or break you, and there’s no reason for you worry about it right now.
JOCELYN: All right, so let’s move on to your next question.
CHRISTINA: My next question is, can you go into the balance or tell me about the ideal balance between product creation and then promotion, and then still handling other opportunities. So, I’m at a point right now, where I finished my course, Optimize Your Business: Get So Freaking Organized and that’s all done, so now I guess I’m in the promotion phase?
SHANE: Yeah, this is the main – like how big is this product? Is this some actual, full-blown this is the product I want to sell, like what all is in this?
CHRISTINA: Yeah, it’s just shy of 100 pages of a PDF, like 17,000 words, so it’s not like a little PDF that we are huge on every page. It’s content-rich, I plan to add videos in the future, but I was going for a minimum viable product.
SHANE: Yeah, for sure; I think that you could probably – you are definitely in the point where you can sell this thing. PDFs, you are not going to be able to charge a ton for, for something like this, the videos would make this infinitely more valuable, especially if those videos were surrounded by community you participated in to guide people through the process where they could ask you questions and stuff like that. But if you want to go ahead and start promoting that, take you about a week to get the sales page ready, get the promotional materials ready to crate that little sales funnel that gets people from discovery to the product and go ahead and start selling it. But then we are going to have to flip back to expanding that product out.
JOCELYN: We did a podcast about this, I think it was either 14 or 15 or might be a combination of the two; it talks about when you are starting out what percentage of time and what percentage of money should you be spending on various tasks in your business. So if you have not listened to that and if there are other people out there who are starting out, I would recommend listening to podcast 14 and 15 and we’ll link to it in the show notes.
SHANE: I will say, this is kind of the basic advice for this specific scenario: you have something that someone would pay for, it needs to be for sale and unleashed into the marketplace. Don’t ever sit on a product; you know, I’m waiting for it to be better or perfect or done or whatever. Go ahead and start selling that thing now on your website to traffic or whatever, and then as you create these videos, you can flush it out into a bigger and more expensive product. But just know that it is going to be hard to charge a ton of money for that. What you might want to do is this, you might want to – it’s pretty much a book, is what it is, you might want to get that up in the Amazon store and even for right now, use that for lead generation while you create the videos and then the videos become this huge product you can sell later. Does that make sense?
CHRISTINA: It does.
SHANE: Yeah, so it’s hard to create something that big and say, I’m just going to use it for lead generation, but I’ll give you a great example: Pat Flynn just released a book, and I was talking to Pat the other day and I said, “Why are you doing this book?” He said, “Oh well, what a great way to tell people exactly all the things I believe and bring them into my brand. It’s just to write a book and release it to them.” A book is never the end game for anybody that releases a book. It’s always a gateway into something else, and this book, you could do your course exactly the same material as the book and charge quadruple of what you could ever chare for the book, but if people read the book, of course they are going to watch the videos and want to be a part of your community.
SHANE: So this might be the huge lead generation tool for you right now; to start building that organize your business type environment and then you add this membership community with 35 videos or two videos a chapter that eventually comes out here in a few months.
CHRISTINA: The other part of my offering, the initial offering with the course is that they also get a one-hour implementation/consulting call with me. So it’s more than just – you like that or no?
SHANE: It’s an augmented product is what you are talking about. It’s like the book is 25 bucks, the book plus the call is 200 bucks, right Jocelyn? She could offer it like that to keep that out?
JOCELYN: Yeah, you can do that; we don’t love the trading time for dollars unless you have to do that, but –
SHANE: What’s your goal for talking to people? Why do want to do that? Just to make the money or is it to get feedback about the book?
CHRISTINA: It would be to maybe get them as clients to do consulting.
SHANE: So you want to do online – so in effect, the book is the gateway to this consulting that you want to do?
CHRISTINA: It could be, because I mean, with organizing everybody – you take people as they come to you, so some people have no idea and they need a lot of handholding and some people just need – the book would be enough for them. So it’s just – you know everyone comes at different levels.
SHANE: This goes back to the avatar, you don’t want people at different levels. You are going to decide if you want the people that talk to you or you want the people who can go into a group setting or you want the people that can do it themselves. That’s the decision you are going to have to make as you refine the avatar, like who do you want to come to you and get your help in this area. Consulting has a ceiling, so eventually if you want to scale, you are going to have an exit plan from that consulting strategy, but it is a way to make a lot more money upfront. So you got to make a decision on who do you want to attract, and then that’s the person you totally focus your messaging on.
CHRISTINA: That makes sense.
SHANE: So who do you want to target?
CHRISTINA: I really like your idea of entrepreneurs who stay at home; that makes the most sense to me and I hadn’t thought about it in those terms before.
JOCELYN: I think that’s a great idea.
SHANE: And what would they want do you think? Do you think they would want one on one consulting to get them through it, or do you think they would like a course to help them work on it in their own time?
JOCELYN: That’s a question that really we shouldn’t be asking you, that’s a question that you need to be asking your audience.
SHANE: Yeah, does that make sense? So, now we refine it down to, let’s not make a decision on the exact product yet, let’s find a few people, Flip Your Life community is full of entrepreneurs, and we can ask them what would you rather have and if 75% of then say. “I would really just download the videos and join the forums,” then you do that. If 75% of them say consulting –
JOCELYN: Exactly; so what we are trying to say is, stop speculating about what people might want and let’s go ask some warm bodies. That’s always the better solution than just wondering and trying to create things and hoping that it will fit the mold.
SHANE: Yeah the worst thing an entrepreneur can ever say is, “I think that people want this” or “I want people to do this.” When it’s real general and broad, you got a problem.
JOCELYN: So what you can do in the meantime while you are gathering this information, you can write some content, some blog posts towards what you think that people might be interested in, and see of people are coming to them. If people are coming to them on Google and they are downloading your opt-in, then chances are this is the type of information that people want to read about or want to learn about.
SHANE: So, basically we have got it boiled down to we are going to target online entrepreneurs who work at home, we are going to help them get organized so that they can make more money and stop losing money, so we got huge pain points, and now we just got to ask that avatar what they want for content delivery. It’s not what you want to do, it’s not what I want to do, it’s not what we think we should do, it’s, hey Jim the avatar, would you rather have this or this and the majority wins, just like in voting. That’s what they’ll give you money for.
SHANE: Makes sense?
SHANE: Okay, so we always close our calls with an action step; so what do you think will be then next best step for you and your business in the next 24-48 hours, to get the ball rolling and build some momentum to what we talked about today?
CHRISTINA: I think I’m going to go back into the forums and ask the question we just asked.
SHANE: That’s good.
CHRISTINA: I’ve had a couple of people from the forums already look at my course so far and give me feedback, which you always need because the people in real life that know me, didn’t want to hurt my feelings, they love me; the people in the forums are very nice, but they are going to tell me honestly, which they have, so it’s been invaluable.
JOCELYN: Yeah, I think that’s a fantastic next step; get in there and just ask people, is this something you would want? What problems would you like for me to solve and that’s at least going to give you a starting place where you can look at what you are thinking about and then you can move forward.
SHANE: I’ve also got another idea too: once we get some feedback here after this, in a couple of days, why don’t we use the – in the Flip Your Life community, we have the Share Your Stuff forum where you are allowed to share and promote your own things. I might pre-sell this if I were you in the Flip Your Life community. I might get some feedback from some people, talk to some people, and say, “Hey, I’m thinking about building X and taking X to the next level, if you’d like to get onboard, I’m going to open this up and see if anybody will vote with their wallet.” And then you can get a beta group to help you kind of build it because there’s probably people running around in the community that might like to do this. Even if it’s just two or three people and you have a vague idea of what you are going to do to transition into this, or what you are going to do for the next step, maybe it’s just going through your book and working with you one on one. Then you could do a little pre-sell to about four or five people to try to guide them through it just with videos once you get those created, but you can definitely use the Share Your Stuff forum to try to get a few people onboard and see of some entrepreneurs will vote with their wallets.
SHANE: Sounds good?
CHRISTINA: That sounds excellent.
JOCELYN: All right, awesome Christina, thank you so much for sharing about your business today and asking such great questions. This is a great opportunity for any entrepreneurs out there who might be interested in organizing their business. Christina, tell them where they can find you.
CHRISTINA: You can get a hold of me at streamlinedlivingoh.com
JOCELYN: All right, that sounds great, thank you so much for being on the Flipped Podcast today.
CHRISTINA: Thank you for having me.
SHANE: Super call today with one of our Flip Your Life community members; we’d love for you to be a member of our community as well. If you would like to join our flip your life community, head over to flippedlifestyle.com/flipyourlife and we can show you how to join today.
JOCELYN: It’s now time to move into our Can’t-Miss Moments segment; these are moments that we were able to experience recently, that we might have missed if we were still working at a normal, nine-to-five job.
SHANE: This week’s Can’t-Miss moment was a real bucket-list opportunity that I had recently. I got to scratch something off of my bucket list. I got to go to Wrestle Mania and I actually mentioned this in a Can’t-Miss Moment before, when I ordered the tickets to go to Wrestle Mania, which is like the super bowl of professional wrestling. I’m a huge professional wrestling fan, since I was a little kid; I can remember when I was a child, my mom would make me and my little brother go to sleep and we would wake up and we would sneak the TV back on at 11 o’clock at night and watch pro wrestling on the USA network after my mom and dad had went to sleep and we used to do that all the time. Last week, I got to go to my first wrestle mania and I took my brother with me. I actually bought him tickets and surprised him and said, “Hey man, you’re coming to Wrestle Mania with me.” And it was just an awesome bucket-list experience to be able to do something like that, and I know that never would have been possible without online business. I got to and my best friend came with us, we rented a house down in Dallas for a few days and just went to wrestling every night. We went to four straight events counting Wrestle Mania; we sat ring-side one night, I could almost reach out and touch the wrestlers, and it was just an amazing experience and I know that would never have happened if it wasn’t for quitting our jobs and going down this online business path.
JOCELYN: I did not attend the Wrestle Mania.
SHANE: Jocelyn would not go with me.
JOCELYN: No, it’s just really not for me. I’m not a big, professional wrestling fan or any kind of wrestling for that matter.
SHANE: She actually makes fun of me quite a bit for liking professional wrestling.
JOCELYN: I have no idea what you would be talking about. So, he did go to wrestling, I was here by myself with the kids, which was actually pretty good. One of my girlfriends, her husband was also gone that week, so we got together a couple of times, we played with the kids, we went out to dinner, so it was a really good time. I was thankful to not have to go to a nine-to-five job, every single day while he was gone because it is really difficult to do this parenting thing by yourself and those of you who are out there and who do it every day, I mean, major kudos to you –
SHANE: Yeah, no doubt.
JOCELYN: – because it’s really hard. So, yeah, we had a great time, even while Shane was not here and we were able to just keep on our same routine because of our online business.
SHANE: Yeah, the flexibility that our online business gives us is amazing. Jocelyn, she got to go to an all-women’s retreat a couple of week ago and she was gone for a couple of days and we have done various things like that over the past couple of years and it’s cool because we don’t have that stress of being apart because we are together pretty much 24 hours a day 7 days a week. It’s really neat that our online business allows us to do things like that and still kind of like Jocelyn said, “Keep the drum beat going.” Before we sign off, we like to close every show with a verse from the Bible; Jocelyn and I draw a lot of our inspiration from the bible and we love to share that with our listeners. Today’s verse comes from Colossians 3-17 and the Bible says, “In whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God, the Father through Him.” In every success you have in your online business, remember where that blessing comes from. Give thanks and you’ll keep moving forward into the plan God has for you. That’s all the time we have for this week. As always guys, thanks for listening to the Flipped Lifestyle Podcast and until next time, get out there, take action, do whatever it takes to flip your life. We’ll see you then.