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In today’s podcast we’re going to help Julie shift her business online and walking through some of the first steps she needs to take in her journey.
Julie is a family photographer who wants to take her in person service based business online, teaching people how she built up her customer base using social media as she moved around the country.
We’re going to talk about the exact steps she should be taking to create her first digital product, talking through defining her target market and how to get everything set up technically.
We’ll walk through some stories and examples that will help anyone get some great ideas on how to get started.
You will learn
- Some of the very best strategies for getting started with your first product.
- Why Julie should start with one specific industry in mind.
- How to overcome decision paralysis.
- The first step on “the list” that you should take action on.
- Your prices aren’t set in stone – So don’t let it stop you from moving forward.
- How to know what personal information you should share. (and how much)
Links and resources mentioned in today’s show
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JOCELYN: Hey y’all! On today’s show, we’re going to help Julie choose a niche, and find her customer avatar.
Welcome to the Flipped Lifestyle podcast, where life always comes before work. We’re your hosts, Shane and Jocelyn Sams. Join us, each week, as we teach you how to flip your lifestyle upside-down by selling stuff online. Are you ready for something different? All right, let’s get started.
JOCELYN: Hey guys, welcome back to the Flipped Lifestyle podcast. Today we are excited to have Julie Renner on our Flipped podcast. This is where we give our audience members an opportunity to come on, and have a free consulting call, and we answer their questions about moving to the next level in their online business. Welcome Julie, we are really glad to have you today.
JULIE: Thanks so much, glad to be here.
SHANE: Julie, your website is Julierennerphotography.com and we just wanted you, before we get started, to tell everyone in the audience about your business, and maybe a little bit about why you want to flip your life, why do you want to dive straight into online business and make something out of that.
JULIE: Okay, well, thanks for having me; my business is called Julie Renner Photography and I have been a family photographer for approximately eight to ten years. I primarily focus on photographing families, kids, on vacation and I do that in the evenings and on the weekends when families are available. In addition to that, my husband’s job has moved us all around the country and we’ve moved five times in different states everywhere. So, I’ve had to sort of restart my business each time and I have done that through social media. And so, my transition really is going to be moving from doing photo sessions in photography on evenings and weekends into online business, teaching other small business owners how to use social media to build their business. So, you know, I’m coming from the perspective of a small business owner and kind of, moving into being a social media expert from that perspective.
SHANE: So in each place that you’ve moved, you said you had to kind of reboot everything. So you had this physical brick-and-mortar business where people would hire you to take pictures, but you would move to a new area where no one knew you. So you would kind of had to use social media to kind of, replant that business over again basically; right?
JULIE: That’s right, exactly.
SHANE: And you want to teach that to other people, that’s what you are saying you want to do?
JULIE: Right. And I don’t work – I don’t have a studio per-se, but I work on-location and in parks and at the beach and that kind of thing. And so what I would do is, reach out to potential clients and I really just had to hustle and figure out a way to reach new clients. And often times I would start the process before we moved so I would get online and use social media to connect with people in the new area that we were relocating to, and figure out a way to make relationships and build connections with people even before we got there. So when we arrived, I would already start to grow my client base. So you know, I’ve done a lot of training, but I’ve also had a lot of self-education and I think it’s just sort of a fresh perspective on social media. It’s coming from someone who’s actually done it more than one time. And so over the course of you know, several years, other business owners have asked me, ‘Well what are you doing?’ and ‘Can you help me get set up online?’ and ‘Can you teach me how to do that with my social media?’ and it’s just been sort of this natural progression to teaching others how to do it in their own business.
SHANE: So basically then, you want to get away from the photography totally; you feel like led to do this online. You don’t want to teach people necessarily how to have a photography business; you want to teach them, any small business owner, kind of how to use social media to be successful.
JULIE: Exactly. And I really do love the photography and I think the ultimate goal is to really scale back to a very low level. I don’t really want to completely give it up, but I definitely want to scale it back. It’s becoming more and more difficult for me to do the sessions several times a week and be gone away from my family. So, this really offers a lot more flexibility and it’s really something that I enjoy doing, and people are, you know, commenting that it’s really helped them a lot so I think it’s really a natural fit for me.
SHANE: And if you had to move again, it’s also something you could take with you without rebooting every single time.
JULIE: Exactly.
SHANE: Okay, well, that’s great. That’s a great overview; I think that’s a very interesting place to start from; so let’s get straight into your questions. What is your first question about how to start or get into this new, online business?
JULIE: Okay, so the first question I have and this is really my big question, so I don’t mind spending quite a bit of time on this, but my first real question is to actually figure out how to structure my business. So, coming from a place of being a photographer, you know, obviously I’m looking to build my business online in the realm of social media education. I want to teach people through webinars, through online courses, and that kind of thing, how to build their own social media. So, I may do a – I’m interested in possibly starting with a little consulting, but I’d rather keep it more on the educational side. So, I’m really trying to figure out where the photography fits into that because through the course of starting this and moving forward, I first thought, ‘Well, I’m gonna separate this completely because it doesn’t make sense to have the photography integrated with the social media.’ But the more I do it, the more I realize that the perspective that I’m coming from and teaching people from this position of being a small business owner, and having sort of that perspective, I do think it’s important that I so integrate the fact that I’m a photographer, and I have this small business, and I’ve done this myself into this – so I’m trying to figure out, you know, I have the domain, julierenner.com and I sort of stared a website called julieshares.com and I just sort of set up so there’s a place to go for the social media. But I haven’t done a lot with it yet because I’m holding off until I figure out the overall umbrella structure of the company. So that’s kind of my first question; what are your thoughts on that?
SHANE: Okay, the first thing that we always tell everybody in this situation is, it all depends on your niche and your target, and you always want to start as narrow and as small as possible and expand later. So, what I’m thinking that you’re looking at here and that you might want to do, and this will be an easy jumping-off point is I wonder if you could just focus on people with existing photography businesses at first because julierenner.com is very broad. You can expand out, that can become anything later. It doesn’t matter where you start from, you can change it at any time because you are the brand. So, I wonder if you could just develop a course to kind of, learn the ropes of what you’re going to teach, of how to teach existing photography businesses to grow their businesses with social media. And what that would do is, it would give you a very specific target, it would be very focused, it is what you did. It’s not just a general, ‘How to use social media in business’, it’s ‘I built my photography business five times using social media and I’m gonna show you how to build your existing photography business with social media’. And what that does is, it allows you to learn the process of creating all this content, these courses, how to speak directly to a niche you’re extremely involved in and then you can take that framework later. You’re gonna have really good audience, a really specific niche, I think there’s a lot of photographers out there that would love to get a hold of this and say, ‘Man, I wish I could put more family shoots, weddings, things like that; how do I do that with social media?’ So, it gives you a good starting point to jump in and then later on, you can expand that into other areas or into other businesses.
JOCELYN: Yeah, and I was just gonna say to your other question about whether you should integrate it into your current site; I think you can do that, but in a way where you don’t necessarily have to put it on that domain. So what I’m saying is, you can have a link to it on your current domain but then have it go out to julierenner.com or whatever site you decide on. You see what I mean?
JULIE: Yeah.
SHANE: So basically, what you’re doing is, you’re starting as small as possible with a very specific avatar. You can say that you are targeting an existing photography business that is making enough money to stay afloat, but wants to expand and is going to do it with social media. That person is who you’re gonna speak to, and who is gonna find you. They’re gonna buy this course, they’re gonna give you feedback and you’re gonna be able to not just develop it from ‘This is what I did’ but now you can see other people apply your strategies and then you can start expanding that out into a more broad or general small business market.
JOCELYN: And my feeling is Julie that you probably need to keep it service-related so maybe like eventually, when you get to branching out, maybe you work with hairstylist, massage therapy people, you know, people who do a service-based business because it’s gonna be different than people who sell goods.
JULIE: Yeah, definitely. You think everything is the same and then when you really get down and you start even talking to different people that could be potential consumers, you realize their needs are so different from people that are service-based versus someone that –
SHANE: Yes, when we started the football business, I tried to go – like for example, I was – like you are a photographer who has moved five times and created a business using social media five times. I was a defensive football coach who coached a very specific kind of defense, but I did the same thing you did, I thought but I’m still a football coach so I’ll just go general.
JULIE: Yeah.
SHANE: I’ll teach other football coaches how to coach defense. It was so broad and so general, I had no product, I had no clue where to start, and I had no avatar to speak to. I had no audience. So when I narrowed it down to my expertise and I said, ‘This is the exact thing that I do and I need to teach those people that first’, I was able to learn how to start an online business, learn how to create an e-course, learn how to make products that spoke to a niche and then when I expanded, I started learning things like – well, these coaches all need help in the weight room. So I made another product that taught football coaches how to run a weight room. And then it expanded from there to teach how to run drills, how to do other defenses. So, if you start at that photography level, I think you’re gonna be able to create content so fast for that instead of having to wrestle with, ‘What would this small business owner – what would this small business owner want to do?’ You can just say, ‘This is what I know a photographer needs. I’m gonna make this, get in front of people, get feedback’ and then like Jocelyn said, you can pick a new niche like from there.
JULIE: Right. Yeah, it’s amazing how much knowledge you have that you don’t realize you have until you start getting into the actual content. And people start asking you questions and then you realize you have to try and answer the question, and then there’s more and more and more. It’s surprising how much knowledge you have to share.
JOCELYN: Exactly. I think that’s a great jumping-off point to start with what you already know and you know and from there, maybe you can take on some case studies and try to help out other people like for free, you know what I mean, and you can build your knowledge about those types of service businesses.
JULIE: Yeah.
SHANE: And the first people that are gonna buy your course, you’re gonna find that their photography businesses might be different within yours; like you might have a course that only targets people who do family photos, and then another person completely does portraits in a studio.
JULIE: Right.
SHANE: So you’re gonna find, there’s gonna be products that come in front of you that you are not even thinking of right now; like you’re thinking, ‘I’ve got to target all small businesses so I’ve got the biggest audience as possible, to sell as many as possible’. That’s not true. There’s a hundred different kind of photography businesses. Once you sell one, another one is gonna show up, that’s a new avatar that’s closely related. You might have to make one new module and just sell them that same course. So does that make sense for your first question?
JULIE: Definitely, that makes a lot of sense and it helps because you know, you kind of swirl in a circle not knowing what direction to go in when you’re general and so, you don’t even know where to start necessarily. And so this is very helpful for me to sort of target in on, okay, this is where to start and then I’ll move forward from there.
SHANE: Start where you are the expert. Go to the smallest point where you have the most authority and you’ll be fine, okay?
JULIE: Right.
SHANE: All right, what is your second question, Julie?
JULIE: Okay so I guess my second question kind of, was helped by the first answer but I think one of the things that continually comes up to me is how do you overcome decision paralysis? So I find myself never giving up and always moving forward but sometimes, the pace is extremely slow because I get paralyzed by what direction to move in. So, do you have any tips on how to overcome decision paralysis?
JOCELYN: Yeah, this is something that comes up a lot with a lot of people in our audience and you know, it’s something that all of us face from time to time because we have so many ideas, and we keep hearing so many great things on podcasts, or we read it online and you want to try everything. The most important thing is to just get something done. You need to have a list of priorities, and you need to decide what’s the most important for making money, or whatever your goal is and that’s what you need to start on and get that done and sometimes that’s hard. I would recommend having some type of accountability partner; maybe it’s a spouse, maybe it’s a friend, maybe it’s somebody in a mastermind with you. You just need somebody to run ideas by and just say, ‘This is what you need to go with’ and go with it.
SHANE: Also too, you’re gonna find that once you narrow down your niche in your avatar, your decision paralysis is gonna stop. Most people can’t decide anything because they are throwing so much mud on the wall, there’s no way to tell what’s even sticking. You’re so broad and you’re so general, I mean, there’s a hundred-million small business owners in America; how do you target that? That’s not something that you can just say, ‘This strategy works for everybody’. But when you have a specific niche, an avatar, a person that is between 30 and 40 years old, that runs a photography business, that only takes family portraits on the beach on Sundays or whatever. You know what I’m saying?
JULIE: Right, uh-huh.
SHANE: When you get that narrow, you don’t have to make the decision any more about your products. You just have to say, ‘What would my avatar do? What would my avatar pay for? What would my niche buy?’ And that’s going to make that decision for you. And like Jocelyn said, if you can just make a list of all the things that you do – this is a little trick that I learned from a football coach I worked with one time. You know, we all have different strategies for getting things done and prioritizing everything else; one time, he brought me in the office and we were a little behind on some stuff and he pulled out a yellow notebook and he just had a list. And I’ll never forget him saying this; he said, “Shane, when you got a lot of ‘bad word’ to do –” he said a bad word right there. He said, “When you got a lot of stuff to do, you just make a list and you do the first one.” Doesn’t matter if it’s in order, doesn’t matter if it’s right, doesn’t matter if it’s wrong; you’ve got to have forward momentum and everything will fall into place. So if you’re having a decision paralysis, make a list and do the thing that was on top of the list.
JULIE: Okay.
JOCELYN: But if I were creating your list Julie, the first thing that would be on it would be some type of an opt-in bonus for photographers who want to use social media to their advantage. I mean, that doesn’t have to be the name of it but if I were starting where you are starting, that’s the first thing I would do. I would get it up on a website and at the very least, start collecting emails. At that point, once you get people who are interested in what you are going to put out there, you need to ask them, ‘What can I create for you that will be beneficial?’
JULIE: Okay.
SHANE: It could even be something – like that will give you a task to do right now so you have some focus; you can just say like, ‘How to get ten more leads with five dollars on Facebook?’. Something simple that you can explain to them; ‘How to boost a post?’ or ‘How to create a small ad and target their county that they live in?’
JULIE: Right.
SHANE: A quick win that someone can get on right then and there, and you know if they do this, they are probably going to get a message from somebody looking for some photography. So that gives you a small project, a quick win that you can finish and that’s another strategy with decision paralysis too. Pick something that you know you can finish in a day. If you can make a little opt-in in a day, well at least you did something today and then you can move to that next thing on the yellow pad basically.
JOCELYN: Do you have people who are photographers who like your page on Facebook, or like you on Twitter or whatever?
JULIE: Uh-huh.
JOCELYN: I mean, you could even throw it out there and say, ‘Hey, I’m developing this guide to whatever, it’s gonna be finished by Friday. If you’re interested, let me know.’ You know what I’m saying?
JULIE: Uh-huh.
JOCELYN: So then that puts it out there on social media that ‘Hey, I’m gonna have something done’ and if you don’t get it done, you’re gonna have people saying, ‘Where’s it at?’
JULIE: Right.
SHANE: We have a funny thing that we do here like, we are really into pre-launching everything; like, we always create a product and we outline it and then we share it with a portion of our audience. Usually it’s either people that have bought from us before or people that have really engaged with our brand like on social media and we ask them, ‘Do you want this?’ And we sell it to them really cheap because there is nothing that will make you make decisions like owing someone a product they’ve already paid for that you have not created.
JULIE: Very true.
SHANE: That’s a great thing to do too like Jocelyn just said, maybe you’ve got some people that you could sell something to and you can say, ‘I’m gonna create this course and it’s gonna be done by May 31st, and you can get in right now for 25 bucks but I was gonna charge 100 for it.’
JULIE: Right.
SHANE: ‘So, get in early, be a beta-tester, you get to make changes and help me, you know, grow this thing as we go’ and now you have no choice but to make a decision. It might be the wrong decision, it might be the right decision but you are going to decide something.
JOCELYN: Some decision is better than no decision.
JULIE: That’s true and like you know, I signed up for your course; it’s probably been just over a month now and that’s one of the things that I feel like while also listening to the podcast, that’s really helped me move forward is just, you know, move forward and you know, just continually move in a direction and then if you need to turn and go right or go left, you can. But at least you are testing the waters and seeing what works and what’s a good fit and what’s not and learning from that as opposed to just sitting and thinking about it all day long and not doing anything.
SHANE: We had someone in the Flip Your Life group this morning was saying the same thing; they were like, ‘I’ve got this product but I don’t know what to charge for it’ and there was this big discussion in there. You know, ‘Well, I think you could charge this’, ‘I think you can’t charge this’, and I basically went into the group today and said, “Here’s the deal, we can discuss everything ad nauseam. We can try to make the most informed decision possible, but until you put a price-tag on your product and show it to your audience, you’d have no clue what they will pay.”
JULIE: Yeah.
SHANE: You have to see your audience’s response. All decisions can’t be made in a meeting room, on a whiteboard with post-it notes, or in a mastermind group. Sometimes you just got to do it. You just got to get it done, put it out there and see what happens. Then if no one buys it, well, lower your price. If everybody buys it, you know, double your price.
JULIE: I have so learned that lesson from moving my photography business. I cannot tell you how many times I have to move my prices up and down and yo-yo it because depending on what city I’m in and what state I’m in, people are wanting to pay more or less and then maybe a higher or lower demand for photography depending on where I live. And so what I’ve really learned is that your prices are not golden, they are not set in stone and as long as you are not posting them right there on your website, you know, even if you do, you can always change it.
SHANE: That’s right.
JOCELYN: Exactly.
JULIE: It’s not like everybody in the entire world knows what your price is all the time and they’re gonna be made at you. You can always change your price and I’ve done that so many times to adjust to the area.
SHANE: We always tell people, ‘All you have to do is hit delete three times. You can change any price.’
JOCELYN: There’s a reason keyboards have backspace keys and I have to remind myself of that as well.
JULIE: Yeah, that’s very true and it’s not as big as a deal as we make it out to be. You just try a price and see how it goes and go from there.
JOCELYN: Exactly. All right, well I hope that helps with number two, so let’s move on to our third question ‘cause we’re a little bit tight on time here. So, I want to make sure we get through at least one more for you.
JULIE: Okay, sounds good. So, my next question is really about the form of instruction that I would like to use. I feel like I’m most comfortable or more effective with video, or even webinars, or even audio on recording and I’m not as comfortable with the e-book which I know is something that I’ve been learning from your course. And is it okay, in your opinion, to start out with a different form of media and then you know, integrating right materials later possibly or what are your thought on that? Does it matter? Just go ahead and give me some feedback on that if you wouldn’t mind.
JOCELYN: No, I think the video is fantastic. If you are comfortable on video and you have a way to get it edited, either you know how to do it yourself or you’re gonna outsource it whatever, I think that’s fantastic. A lot of times, people are not comfortable with video so the reason we start with the e-book in our course is because it’s like a lower-hanging fruit.
SHANE: And also, we have made hundreds of thousands of dollars primarily selling e-books. So we know that that medium works and – like you sound great. You are a natural, like for video and podcasting, I can tell you right now; that’s probably where you should lean toward in your content because you can communicate that way. But some people – actually we have found a vast majority of people prefer to write; they prefer to do blog-posting, website content and like e-books. So we start there, we actually are adding a component for Flip Your Life to create e-courses, digital products and video courses. So we’d want people to go to that eventually but we usually start people at the e-book. But if you are more comfortable with video, you should always choose where your people are, what they want to communicate with and like what you are the most comfortable with when you’re making products or any kind of content. That’s why we do the podcast for Flipped Lifestyle because we like to talk on the podcast where we like to hook everything up and just get this done. We can transcribe it and we don’t like to sit down and write. So we choose audio as our main form of communication, and we chose video courses for Flipped Lifestyle because it’s easier to teach online business like writing an e-book, like creating a video course, like starting a website. It’s easier to do that with video. So, Flipped Lifestyle does not have a lot of e-books or anything like that product-wise because we teach primarily in video.
JULIE: Yeah.
SHANE: So with your medium being so visual, people are photographers for crying out loud, probably you are gonna lean toward video and stuff like that, and if you know how to do it, then go ahead and get that done. But you should always ask your audience what they want to consume because you don’t know exactly how they want to consume content unless you ask them. So you may make all these videos and people are like, ‘Oh, I just wish I had a book I could pull up on my phone.’
JULIE: Yeah, I need to remember that.
SHANE: Yeah, so it’s always better; do what you always feel the most comfortable with but always get confirmation from your audience ‘cause at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter what you want. It matters what they want.
JULIE: Very true. Yeah, my first career before I was a photographer, I was a teacher and I think it comes so naturally when you’re used to being up in front of a group. It’s like public-speaking comes naturally to a teacher and it’s just an easy way to deliver information.
SHANE: And you can do that in a way too; like we have a friend, authoraudience.com and what she does, she actually transcribes the books that she writes on Kindle ‘cause she feels really comfortable speaking, but her audience really likes to consume books. So she just said, ‘Well, I’ll just transcribe these things and I’ll go edit them down into a book.’ So there’s a way to get around it where you can combine those two things.
JULIE: Yeah.
SHANE: All right, I think we have time for one more question Julie, so what is your last question for today’s show?
JULIE: My last question has to do with sharing information about my kids and family; I have two children and I’m married and one of us thinks that I really like about other businesses for me as a consumer is I like to see, I love it when you guys put pictures up of your kids and I enjoy that. My question isn’t really about what’s appropriate to share and what’s not; my question is more related to, do people get sick of it and how do I know when too much – when enough is enough and I’m sharing too much personal information? Do you guys struggle with this in your online business as well?
JOCELYN: I think really that – I mean, there is a limit for too much personal information but it’s probably not anywhere like we think. When I’m following somebody, I love it to see like parts of their real life, and to know that they are a normal person. You know, I mean, if that’s all you’re posting, then probably it’s too much but if you’re posting a couple of things a day, I think that’s perfectly fine.
JULIE: Okay.
SHANE: And I always tell everybody this too when it comes to this issue, you’re gonna have a great product with your photography video e-course. If you write an e-book, it’s gonna be a good – if you make a podcast, it’s gonna be a great product. There’s a lot of great products out there that are probably teaching exactly what you are about to teach. But the difference, the reason that an audience will be drawn to you is because of you. The people that come to your website and stick around are gonna stick around not just because of what you are teaching them, but because you’re Julie, because they like to see what’s happening with your family, because they like the look and feel of your website. The people that stick around at Flipped Lifestyle are, you know, people with kids and people who like to see what we are doing with our kids because we don’t have to go to a nine-to-five every day. They want to pursue that. So, people are drawn to you, you are the brand, so if you feel like that needs to be a part of your brand, then do it. Some people are not going to like and then they are gonna leave but that’s okay. They weren’t gonna buy anything from you anyway and you weren’t going to help them because they didn’t relate to you.
JULIE: Yeah.
SHANE: So go with it and if you feel like you are putting too much out there – you know, Jocelyn and I try to only share one or two things. We might share one thing every other day about our kids on Facebook, or on Twitter, and we always put our ‘can’t-miss moments’ in our podcast on Tuesday but we don’t really share that at other times during the week. So, it’s just whatever you feel comfortable with and that’s probably the thing that’s going to keep most of your audience around anyway. So let the other people leave and let the people that stay be your superfans.
JULIE: Yeah, I think that’s great and it’s funny because with all these years of moving, and I grew up in Seattle, which is not even one of the places that I lived with my family but, over the course of all these years, I have all these friends around the country or sort of, people that have followed my career as a photographer and have always been supportive online of my career as a photographer. And it’s funny because now that I’m branching out into something that they can access, they are starting to respond to that because as a photographer, if they don’t live near me, they can’t hire me. But now that I’m offering something online, they are still there, and they are still supportive, and they are still following me and ready to purchase a paid – whatever I’m offering. So that’s been kind of a fun transition as well.
JOCELYN: Exactly. I think that you have a lot of opportunity here. So good luck to you, thank you so much for being on today and –
JULIE: Thank you so much.
JOCELYN: Yeah, we wish you the very best in your online business; hope that you’ll come back and tell us a success story really soon.
JULIE: All right, thanks both to you Shane and Jocelyn, I appreciate your time.
SHANE: All right guys, that wraps up our interview with Julie Renner; she has an awesome idea for an online business and I really believe if she niches down, she’s gonna be very successful. If you would like to be on the Flipped Lifestyle podcast and get a free consulting call, you can do that. You can apply at flippedlifestyle.com/flippedpodcast and if you would like help starting your online business, creating a digital product, whether it’s an e-book, an e-course or even starting your first website, we have courses available for all of that right now at flippedlifestyle.com/flipyourlife. Until next time, we will catch you all on the flip side.
JOCELYN: Bye.
Paul says
Great podcast Shane and Jocelyn. As a photographer it was doubly relevant.
Julie if I can help you in any way please let me know. I am creating my product right now on mastering wedding photography and social media is a big part of the marketing equation.
Good luck and thank you for sharing what you are working on.
Paul
JulieRenner says
Thank you Paul for your comment! I really enjoyed being on the podcast, and I was surprised when I listened back to it that I had missed so much during the actual call. It is nice to see other photographers in the group and I am looking forward to hearing about your progress too! 🙂
Julie
Albert says
I thought I had figured out my avatar already (25-30 year old dad with small children) but as I look at my small following on my facebook page I see that my audience is almost split 50/50 between male and female, can my avatar be married couples or do I stick to my original avatar?